By Steve Rhodes
Talkin’ #TrumpRallyChi. Including: Now You’re Trump; Obama Has Been A FOIA Disaster; and Hillary (And Obama) vs. Trump.
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SHOW NOTES
* Strawberry Rock Show.
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* Ringo Deathstarr at the Empty Bottle.
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2:25: #TrumpRallyChi.
* John Kass owes everybody a retraction.
Please explain how this is a First Amendment issue. https://t.co/mnADHq2ITO
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
So #Chicago supports #firstamendment unless we don’t like what you say. Then we’ll just shut you up.
— John Kass (@John_Kass) March 12, 2016
* The First Amendment.
So Kass is wrong in reverse.
* I AM PRO-UNDERGRADUATE JOURNALISM SCHOOL.
* Marlins Suspend Ozzie Guillen For Pro-Castro Comments.
* Dusty Baker: ‘Latins And African Americans Bring More Speed.’
* It appears the plan was to disrupt Trump’s speech and then, at some point, exit the arena (or be escorted out by security). See Politico’s Inside The Protest That Stopped The Trump Rally.
* But protesters exulted in “shutting down” the rally.
Our goal tonight was to show Donald Trump that his bigotry and racism is not welcome here. Not on UIC’s campus. Not in…
Posted by Stop Trump – Chicago on Friday, March 11, 2016
* Well-intended people can be fascists too.
* “Chicago high-school student and frequent demonstrator Cameron Miller, 18, said he and others met twice last week at a local Dunkin’ Donuts to examine a floor plan of the pavilion, with the idea of storming the stage in unison during Trump’s speech,” the Washington Post reports.
* See also: How Activists Mobilized To Shut Down Trump In Chicago.
* From Bob Somerby at his Daily Howler on protesters at Trump rallies:
Within the current tribalized context, those highly energetic “protestors” are playing on Our Team. That said, do you think it’s a good idea to “interrupt” a campaign speech a dozen times; to “get close to the stage and begin yelling directly at” the candidate; to “crumple a campaign sign” as you do?
More questions:
Do you think conduct like that is best described as a “protest?” Do you think that conduct fits within the basic framework within which we try to conduct “government by the people?”
Personally, we don’t think it’s a great idea to do politics that way. We’d be inclined to use the word “disruption” to describe that approach, rather than the word “protest.”
Personally, we aren’t inclined to find that conduct heroic, bright or politically helpful. We aren’t inclined to regard that conduct as “principled” in any serious way.
* “Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.”
* Worth considering.
Folks really need to be reading up on the rise of Hitler and how he exploited protests (and speech interruptions) by the Communist Party.
— Walter Katz (@katz_oversight) March 12, 2016
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People who are anti-Trump are actually anti-Trump supporters — they oppose free citizens voting for the @realDonaldTrump.
— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) March 13, 2016
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* To a larger audience than at the UIC Pavilion, with scenes of protesters in the streets that I dig but which frighten many Americans (I’m not saying don’t protest, I’m saying think strategically to accomplish your goal).
Trump’s free speech has been trampled on! https://t.co/lA4aGVqWDX
— andrew kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) March 12, 2016
From 8:15-9:21 @MSNBC @FoxNews & @CNN spoke w/ @realDonaldTrump for a combined 48 minutes. https://t.co/CUhMfU67o4 pic.twitter.com/2f4R4I0Z8H
— TVNewser (@tvnewser) March 12, 2016
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* I don’t like a lot of this Mark Brown column in the Sun-Times, but this will not help Bernie Sanders’ cause:
“Many of those who were celebrating on the arena floor were shouting ‘Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!’ and taunting Trump’s supporters as they tore up Trump signs.”
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* Tweets that make me uncomfortable in their patriotic claim to represent Chicago, which likes to shut people up, though you can only say that approvingly because if you say it as a critique you will be attacked, or Now You’re Trump (and I like some of these people):
Chicago: 1 – Trump: 0
By golly, I do believe #Chicago just trumped Trump. I love this town.#TrumpRally #TrumpChicago #TrumpProtest
— Brendan Reilly (@AldReilly) March 12, 2016
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Trump rally canceled. Chicago: 1, Trump: 0
— Time Out Chicago (@TimeOutChicago) March 12, 2016
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Here’s the thing about Chicago. Don’t fuck with Chicago.
— Not Kendra (@kdc) March 12, 2016
We’re not perfect here. But we’ll for sure fuck you up.
— Not Kendra (@kdc) March 12, 2016
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Love, Chicago pic.twitter.com/IfFUruDHYF
— Joanna Klonsky (@joannaklonsky) March 12, 2016
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The people of Chicago decided it’s best to bar Donald Trump from entering. Just temporarily. Until we can figure out what’s going on.
— jay smooth (@jsmooth995) March 12, 2016
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I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Don’t sleep on my city. Chicago doesn’t play.
— Brandon Wall (@Walldo) March 12, 2016
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#WeToockHizJobb https://t.co/7Nmmi59MBo
— Alderman Ameya Pawar (@Alderman_Pawar) March 12, 2016
Chicago has shut down @realDonaldTrump. Let this be the beginning of something great. #resist #TrumpRally https://t.co/SlJAazf4em
— Daniel X. O’Neil (@danxoneil) March 12, 2016
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When the voices against you get louder than your hate speech, that’s free speech in action, people. He really did make America great again.
— Brian Tallerico (@Brian_Tallerico) March 12, 2016
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Disagree – and passively watching is not the only alternative. False choice. But again, the point is that some protesters themselves are making the claim they shut down Trump. They are the ones that need some civic lessons.
an argument that it would have been more proper to passively watch a white supremacist rally is not one you’ll be proud to have made.
— Ramsin Canon (@ramsincanon) March 12, 2016
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Good job, Chicago. Now let’s make sure that he doesn’t spit his hate there tonight or any night, peacefully. https://t.co/0OOvIg2UXg
— Herb Lawrence (@Ecnerwal23) March 12, 2016
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Yes. He said, “I think the people from Mississippi ought to come to Chicago to learn how to hate.”
“I tried to tell y’all about Chicago.” — MLK
— Adam Serwer (@AdamSerwer) March 12, 2016
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But can hardly get a decent alderman elected. Not impressed.
I can go on.
1968 Democratic Convention. 1963 school boycott. 2015 read-in at DuSable HS.
Chicago. Does. This. pic.twitter.com/Wt0gwcGhzA
— wikipedia brown (@eveewing) March 12, 2016
2007 immigration rally. 1886 Haymarket riot. 2012 teacher rally. 2015 Black Friday.
Chicago is very good at this. pic.twitter.com/qbjuX0R5o9
— wikipedia brown (@eveewing) March 12, 2016
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Proud to be a Chicagoan, Til Chicago Wins,,, #DumpTrump #AnitasNext
Posted by Brian Sleet on Friday, March 11, 2016
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But not enough to prevent the elections of fascistic mayors.
“Lots of democracy.”
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God I am so proud of Chicago right now, keep Trump out of our city.
— Chuck Anderson (@NoPattern) March 12, 2016
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Shhh, you’re not supposed to say this.
Chicago shut Trump down.
— jg (@JustinGlawe) March 12, 2016
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Chicago elected Rahm Emanuel twice after 22 years of Richard M. Daley.
Chicago is an amazing place, filled with amazing people and amazing organizers. Heck, it’s where modern organizing was born.
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) March 12, 2016
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36:47: UFO at the Arcada Theatre in St. Charles.
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38:20: #TrumpRallyChi 2.
* What I believe:
RLT: I don’t support suppressing anyone’s speech, no matter how vile. Not saying that’s what happened either. But not a 1st Amendment issue.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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I do believe there is a conflict in narratives of “Trump chose not to speak” vs. “We shut him down.” I don’t approve of shutting anyone down
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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Because next time it could be you or your candidate.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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Hate speech ought to be protected in my book, even by private citizens not constrained by the Constitution.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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The spirit of free speech isn’t based on shouting matches – loudest wins.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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That’s not to say I don’t support the protesters – I do. But I don’t support all of the sentiments I’ve heard voiced from them.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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I don’t think it’s a victory that Trump didn’t speak. I don’t think that’s ever a victory.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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I’m also inclined to believe that Trump made a strategic political decision to not speak and reap the rewards. We’ll see.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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Look, to be clear, again, it was an awesome night in many ways, scary in others, and absolutely love the new generation of activists …
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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… I even know some of them. Awesome protest. But it’s also not either/or. I am uncomfortable w.some of the rhetoric regarding speech …
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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… not from everyone, and recognizing that Trump pulled his own plug, etc., but I don’t want Trump people crowing one day about …
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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… shutting down speech they don’t like. The more speech the better – from all sides. Protest speech and hate speech which can be …
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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… illuminated and not kept in the shadows. Get it out there and deal with it. Just my view.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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I’ll give another example: I always dislike when a speaker is forced to cancel an appearance on a campus. There are better ways to deal.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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Especially on a campus, which is supposed to be our bastions of free expression. That’s why tenure exists!
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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AGAIN, not saying Trump was forced to not speak. Not defending Trump or criticizing protesters, whom I support. Just talking about speech.
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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* The petition to shut down the rally – and UIC’s response.
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47:07: E6 at Durty Nellie’s in Palatine.
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48:13: #TrumpRallyChi 3.
* In Chicago, the mayor runs the city council and judges get placed on the bench by pledging party fealty to the Central Committee of the Cook County Democratic Party.
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* Greenwald/Atrios.
They broke the law, disrupted, trespassed. And in doing so, saved literally countless lives around the world… https://t.co/K9qOJrMjtU
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 12, 2016
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* This is not about respectability politics, by the way, which I abhor. It’s about principles and tactics.
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55:42: Obama Has Been A FOIA Disaster.
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55:58: Hillary (And Obama) vs. Trump.
* How Hillary Clinton Helped Obama Fuck Up Libya.
* Hillary Clinton Needs To Answer For Actions In Honduras And Haiti.
* Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve The Black Vote.
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* I’m always just a bit more interested in those in power than those seeking it.
Now, #Chicago, what about the person currently in the White House? https://t.co/72iE2LwPtg
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
NSA data will soon routinely be used for domestic policing that has nothing to do with terrorism. https://t.co/UgMiQ91Ic3
— EFF (@EFF) March 12, 2016
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War criminal: https://t.co/IZc8NzS87t Enemy of press: https://t.co/5Z1ayR962y Deportations: https://t.co/Z7OOyN7A2I https://t.co/pD5830SKS9
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
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1:01:24: Helloween at the Concord.
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* Contact me here!
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* Vocal fry.
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* Bonus tweet.
Here’s what I don’t get. This woman wants to make America great again. Like when we …. beat the Nazis? https://t.co/XZCD0HSXJn
— Beachwood Reporter (@BeachwoodReport) March 12, 2016
Chicago Tribune photo tonight: pic.twitter.com/1x26925aND
— Jesse Byrnes (@jessebyrnes) March 12, 2016
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STOPPAGE: 4:18
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Posted on March 13, 2016